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What If… Part 3 by Tony Kegger Featuring THE INFAMOUS JCITY™

What If…Part 3 by Tony Kegger

Featuring THE INFAMOUS JCITY™

[Editors Note: This is part 3 of Tony Kegger’s “What If…” series, where he wonders what would have happened in WWE history if certain things happened or didn’t happen. After last weeks edition where I left a comment so long some thought it resembled a column within a column, Tony reached out to me and gave me the greenlight to add any thoughts I might have in the actual column instead of wasting them away in the comment section. So no, my ego isn’t so out of control that I feel like infiltrating other people’s work, I just thought that this might be a good idea and I am happy to help my fellow INFAMOUS CREW™ member. We are both passionate wrestling fans. Sometimes we will agree, other times we won’t, but all we want to do is provide you with the best possible read you can find this side of the IWC. Before we get into it I would like to say that I think this column would have been perfectly fine without my input. Tony’s a good writer and I’m glad to have him on-board. Anyways, my thoughts will be bolded in brackets and his will be in plain text. Enjoy.]

Welcome to part three of the “What If” series. Click the links to read Part one and Part two.

What if Shawn Michaels didn’t injure his back at the 1998 Royal Rumble?

At the 1998 Royal Rumble on January 18, Shawn Michaels faced The Undertaker in a Casket Match for the WWF Championship. During the match, Undertaker threw Michaels out of the ring and his back hit the edge of the casket. Michaels would retain his championship that night, but later Michaels discovered that he had injured his back badly when his back made contact with the casket. Michaels had two herniated disks and one crushed disk. Michaels wouldn’t have another match until Wrestlemania 14 against “Stone Cold” Steve Austin. Michaels lost the match and Austin became a first time WWF Champion. After that match, Shawn Michaels was forced to retire because of his back injury. Michaels was out of the WWE for over four years. He spent some time as the WWF Commissioner during his retirement. Michaels eventually made his return to the ring at Summerslam on August 25, 2002 in an unsanctioned street fight against Triple H. Shawn Michaels would wrestle for nearly eight years after that and retired at Wrestlemania 26 in 2010.

[I remember that Casket Match like it was just yesterday. Shawn Michaels had cost Taker his WWF Championship at SummerSlam and then went on to have a red hot feud with Taker as a result. This match was alright, but nowhere near as good as their certified classic Hell In A Cell Match from a few months prior. The thing I remember the most from this Casket Match was the ending where Kane set the casket on fire with Taker still inside. That was a pretty epic moment considering that I have never seen anything like that on WWF PPV. This match was also a couple months removed from the Montreal Screwjob, so I remember Shawn having tremendous heat as a result. Even though I disliked his participation in the Screwjob and he was amping up the douchiness to levels never seen before, there was no way I can deny him as an in-ring performer. To have herniated disks, let alone a crushed one shows how much testicular fortitude an athlete the caliber of Shawn Michaels had. Not once during the match did he look to be in so much pain that he couldn’t continue. When Shawn finished the match and the news broke out about his injuries I refused to believe it. They said that he needed back surgery and it was highly unlikely that he would ever step foot in a WWF ring ever again. From my understanding, Shawn was originally against dropping the belt to Steve Austin, but felt that if he was forced to retire due to injury that Austin was the most worthy guy on the roster who he felt comfortable with passing the torch to. Also, his original doctor wouldn’t clear him to compete at Wrestlemania 14, but with extensive rehabilitation and a second opinion, he mustered up the strength and courage to have just one last match.]

What if Shawn Michaels wasn’t forced to retire after Wrestlemania 14? A few things come to mind immediately. First, we would have never seen Michaels as the WWF Commissioner. Michaels was the guest referee for two Triple H vs. The Rock title matches during his time as Commissioner and played a big role in both of them. Shawn Michaels was the guest referee for a Triple H vs. The Rock match during the first official episode of Smackdown on August 26, 1999. That match is probably my favorite Smackdown match because of Michaels screwing The Rock at the end by hitting him with Sweet Chin Music. I remember watching that match on TV when it first aired and I remember being so shocked when Michaels superkicked The Rock because The Rock was going to win the match. Jim Ross saying, “We’ve got a crooked Commissioner!” after the match is one of my favorite JR quotes of all-time. Then Michaels controversially disqualified The Rock in anIron Man match that allowed Triple H to win the WWF Championship at Judgment Day 1999. I think it is more important to point out that Shawn Michaels missed a lot of the Attitude Era when he was away from the WWF. The Attitude Era was great without Shawn Michaels, but I think it would have been even greater with Shawn Michaels in the mix. I have no doubt we would have seen at least one Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock match. That alone makes me sad that Shawn Michaels got injured. One of the only good things was that Stone Cold was able to rise to Superstardom while Michaels was gone. Without Michaels, Stone Cold became the number one guy in the company. Austin was a big reason why the Attitude Era was so popular so maybe it’s a good thing Michaels did take time off, but I watched a lot of WWF from 1999 to 2001 and then stopped watching until 2008, so I am disappointed that I never got to see Shawn Michaels in his prime.

[If you want to see HBK in his prime then I highly recommend his “From The Vault” DVD. Anyways, if Shawn Michaels never retired then I feel that he would have ended up dead. Shawn was a notorious party animal and he stayed mixing pills and alcohol on a fairly consistent basis. Looking back at all the wrestlers from that timeframe that have died drug related deaths, I feel that it would have only been  a matter of time before he too fell victim to the lifestyle. His injury might have just saved his life. He has said that when he first went home he was so drugged up that he was taking it out on people around him and he hated the man he had become. He felt like he had to do something drastic or else he would have died before he ever had the chance to be a good father to his children. When a man admits he was at the end of his rope then that should tell you how serious his demons were. As we all know, Shawn found God after retiring from the World Wrestling Federation. If he never retired, there would have been no salvation for HBK. He would have partied harder and eventually he would have overdosed or his heart would have tapped the fuck out. On the other hand, his on-air character would have continued to dominate. He would have kept getting more rude and outlandish. The Attitude Era was all about pushing the envelope, but Shawn was the type that wanted to do things that nobody has ever done before. He would have ended up forcing it beyond belief and maybe have the WWF pulled from the air. One thing that I did admire about Shawn was the fact that he never defected to WCW. Would that have been the case if he never got injured? I think Kevin Nash and Scott Hall would have persuaded Ted Turner to shell out millions of dollars so they could have their best friend on-board. That would have been epic and might have crushed WWF at the time. Also, Triple H might not have married Stephanie McMahon. Triple H was down with Shawn, who wielded alot of backstage power. He was comfortable suckling at Shawn’s teet, so if Shawn would have stayed then Triple H would have never seeked out another powerful teet to suckle on. There also would have never been Degeneration X part 2 which means no New Age Outlaws and X-pac telling us to suck it, even though I do think X-pac would have made it into a HBK lead DX due to his connection with The Kliq. Like I said earlier, Shawn originally didn’t want to drop the belt to Austin and only did so because he knew his days were numbered. I’m sure DX would have kept going strong in 1998 until HBK and Triple H had a falling out of some sort leading to some epic encounters where Shawn would have gave his friend the ultimate rub by doing the job for him and putting him over in a huge way. Shawn would have probably also went on to hold WWF/WWE Championship gold more times than Ric Flair and Triple H combined. His name was beginning to be synonymous with the WWF Championship so I have no doubt in my mind that he would have held it a few more times. It sucks that Shawn wasn’t in the thick of the Attitude Era he helped created. HBK vs The Rock would have been epic, but if it meant life or death then I for one am glad that he got injured and got his life together.]

What if the Stone Cold vs. Mankind in a Hell in a Cell match at King of the Ring 1998 took place as scheduled?

I love reading books written by professional wrestlers and I usually find something interesting in each book. About a year ago, I re-read Mick Foley’s “Have a Nice Day” book because I was about 11 years old when I first tried to read it. In the book, Foley says that he was originally scheduled to face “Stone Cold” Steve Austin in a Hell in a Cell match at the 1998 King of the Ring. WWE writer Vince Russo called Foley to tell him that Mankind (Foley’s character at the time) would be facing the Undertaker instead. Undertaker vs. Mankind ended up being arguably the most famous match in Mick Foley’s career. It’s one of my favorite matches of all-time. The best moments of the match were Mankind getting thrown off the top of the cell and falling through the ceiling of the cell. I think many people would think the match would be just as good if Austin was facing Mankind instead of Undertaker. It was Mankind, not the Undertaker, who had the biggest spots in the match after all. However, Foley thinks the match needed the Undertaker. Foley wrote in his book, “Without the Undertaker’s poise and experience, the match would have been over right after the chokeslam through the cage. The Hell in a Cell is actually the closest example I’ve ever seen of one wrestler “bottle feeding” another, until I was able to take my first baby steps.” If Foley really feels that way, then this match needed The Undertaker and not Steve Austin. Although the rest of the match was decent at best after the two Foley falls, the match needed to continue. I doubt the match would have been the classic match it is now if the match ended after Foley fell through the cell’s ceiling. I actually found the rest of the match enjoyable and I’m not sure why. I think it’s because after seeing Mankind nearly kill himself twice, it simply amazed me to see Mankind continue to compete in the match. Sometimes the story of the match can make up for a lack of interesting action and this match was a good example of that. Foley told Undertaker before the match, “If we can start [the match] hot enough, we can make people think we had a hell of a match even if we didn’t.” Foley was right. Take away the two falls and that match was a three star match at best, but the beginning of the match helped make it into an all-time classic. That match really helped establish Foley as a WWE legend and it helped The Undertaker’s legacy as well. The Undertaker and Mankind had great chemistry that night and I’m not sure if a Stone Cold vs. Mankind match would have produced the same results.

[Personally, I don’t think it really mattered who he was facing as long as he took the same exact bumps, the match would have been a classic no matter who his opponent may have been. What I would like to know is if he did indeed face Stone Cold, would he have gotten a Stunner through the top of the cage? If he faced Shawn Michaels (had he not got injured) would HBK moonsaulted himself from the top of the cage on a broken and battered Mankind after he crashed through the announce table? What if he faced Vader? Would the Hell In A Cell structure collapsed as soon as they got their fat asses to the top? What if Mankind landed on his neck and ended up paralysed? This match could have gone so many different ways, but that doesn’t change the fact that Mick Foley is one crazy son of a bitch and no matter the outcome, it would have been his defining moment. Now, if Foley did indeed face Austin maybe he wouldn’t have taken such insane bumps and he would have had a longer career as a result. There is no doubt in my mind that his Hell In A Cell match against The Undertaker took years away from his career. Shit, I’m surprised he lived to tell about it. Foley sure has given his all to entertain his fans and this moment proved without a shadow of a doubt that he was willing to risk his life just so us fans can have something to talk about. People often over look him when talking about the Attitude Era giving all the credit of WWF’s success to the likes of Stone Cold, The Rock and Degeneration X, but Mick Foley was the glue that held it all together. He was hardcore before hardcore was trendy. He was the reason people abandoned WCW and started watching RAW when he won the WWF Championship. He was the reason WWF regained the ratings advantage over WCW after 84 weeks of losing to the Ted Turner led company. Shit, he fucking lost an ear for the business. No one has heart like Mick Foley has. I hope he makes it into the Hall Of Fame sooner rather than later, but yeah, that match would have been epic no matter what since Foley was set to go through those sick bumps regardless of who his opponent was that night.]

What if the Wrestlemania 15 main event was Mankind vs. The Rock vs. Stone Cold?

According to Vince Russo, the Wrestlemania 15 main event was originally booked to be a Triple Threat Match between The Rock, “Stone Cold” Steve Austin and Mankind for the WWF Championship. Russo was the head writer of the WWF at the time so he’s a very credible source. However, according to Russo, Shawn Michaels went to Austin and convinced him that the match should be just between Austin and The Rock. Austin then went to Vince McMahon and McMahon agreed to remove Mankind from the match. All of this information came from Russo’s book titled “Forgiven” and I assume it’s true because that match would have made a lot of sense. In fact, it would have made more sense if Austin was the one cut from the match. Mankind and The Rock were in an epic rivalry from late 1998 to early 1999. They had WWF Championship matches in four straight Pay-Per-Views from the Survivor Series in November to the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre in February. In addition, The Rock and Mankind had a match on the January 4, 1999 episode of RAW, an “Empty Arena” Match that aired on “Halftime Heat” during halftime of Super Bowl XXXIII, and a ladder match on the RAW after the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre PPV. All three of those matches were for the WWF Championship and the title changed hands after each of the three matches. The WWF Championship changed hands five times during the feud. It didn’t seem to make much sense to have Austin enter the picture, but I guess the plan was for Austin to regain the championship at Wrestlemania. The WWF had already planted the seed for Austin winning the title by having him finish as the runner-up in the Royal Rumble match to Mr. McMahon. After McMahon vacated his right to be in the main event of Wrestlemania, Commissioner Shawn Michaels announced that Austin would take McMahon’s place because he was the runner-up. Austin’s main feud at the time was with McMahon and not The Rock. That being said, the match between Stone Cold and The Rock at Wrestlemania 15 was really good. I brought the VHS of Wrestlemania 15 just to see that match (this was way before YouTube). The match featured both men kicking out of each other’s finishing move. Nowadays, we see that happen all the time, but back then, I just started watching the WWF and seeing them kicking out of each others finishers seemed amazing to me. The Rock and Austin ended up having two more Wrestlemania matches and if I’m not mistaken, The Rock vs. Austin Wrestlemania feud is the only trilogy in Wrestlemania history as of right now. The Wrestlemania 15 match led to a rematch at Backlash and after that, the Rock-Austin feud really became legendary. The match added another chapter to Austin’s great legacy and the match really helped The Rock get closer to becoming a huge face in the WWF. I would have loved to see Mankind in the match because it would have featured my top three favorite wrestlers of all-time in one match, but Foley was already a legend at that point. If the match had stayed the way it was booked, I don’t think it would have been good for the future of the WWF. Mick Foley would have had his Wrestlemania moment and wouldn’t have to wait until his 2006 Street Fight with Edge at Wrestlemania 22, but it would have delayed the start of the Rock-Austin rivalry. The Rock vs Mankind feud was very good, but the feud did not have to continue. In fact, they had faced each other so many times, I wonder if the fans wanted to see something fresh. Mick Foley probably would have worked really well with Austin because they had two classic PPV matches when Foley was Dude Love. It could have been a really good match, but in hindsight, it is good Foley was left out of the match. It was time for the Rock-Mankind feud to end and for the Rock-Austin rivalry to begin.

[I completely agree that Mankind and The Rock rivalry was starting to get stale, but unlike the John Cena and Randy Orton rivalry, Rock and Foley brought something different to the table each and every single time. I never knew that the Wrestlemania 15 main event was supposed to be a Triple Threat, but it doesn’t surprise me to see Shawn Michaels still had backstage political pull even though he was no longer an active competitor. I wonder if this match would have been any different if HBK was still wrestling. Imagine The Rock vs “Stone Cold” Steve Austin vs Shawn Michaels vs Mankind for the WWF Championship at Wrestlemania. Now that would have been epic, but let me stop dwelling on the first What If. Ok, now that I think of it, that Triple Threat would have been good, but The Rock needed a serious ass whooping at the time and Stone Cold was the man to administer such a beating on the pie eating, jabroni beating, eyebrow raising Superstar. If memory serves me right The Rock  was down with The Corporation at the time, which was a Vince McMahon led stable. Austin was running through The Corporation and it would have only been a matter of time before he got to their crown jewel. I too enjoyed the match, especially both guys kicking out of each others respective finishers. That was a rare occurence back in those days.]

I’m going to end part three right here. I had more “What Ifs” planned for this article, but I want to try and keep each part as short as I can. I will continue to extend the series. I hope you have enjoyed this “What If” series so far. There is plenty more to come.

[I’m really looking forward to reading the rest of this fantastic series. So what do you readers think would have happened if Shawn Michaels never retired due to injury? What about if Stone Cold was Mankind’s opponent at Hell In A Cell instead of The Undertaker? Do you think the Wrestlemania 15 main event would have been more or less epic had Mick Foley been involved? Let us know what you think about this format and if you have any  of your own “What Ifs” you would like to discuss in the comments section don’t hesitate to let us know. I hope you have enjoyed this edition of “What If…”. This has been Tony Kegger and THE INFAMOUS JCITY™, signing off….]

  1. Capt. Smooth
    June 8, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    What if “c-a-t” spelled dog?

  2. June 8, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Then d-o-g would spell cat? Lol, that was weird.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm

      I just blew your mind.

      • June 8, 2011 at 8:13 pm

        Among other things….[||]Pause.

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 9, 2011 at 7:40 am

          Sorry, man. I don’t play for that team, but I do support them. 🙂

          • June 9, 2011 at 9:45 am

            I was talking about balloons, get your mind out of the gutter, lol.

            • Capt. Smooth
              June 9, 2011 at 10:22 am

              Me?

              • June 9, 2011 at 11:06 am

                Yes you, lol. Surprised you haven’t seen Backdoor To Chyna yet, haha.

                • Capt. Smooth
                  June 9, 2011 at 11:13 am

                  Now, Backdoor to Kaitland I may have to see.

  3. Capt. Smooth
    June 8, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    J, I was on today and saw that I was the number 35000 view on your site. Do I get a prize?

    • June 8, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      No prize, sorry. I might have some type of prize contest in the future though.

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 9, 2011 at 7:42 am

        Just joking. The site is a prize. It’s the best stuff you’ve done.(non-bedroom that is)

        • June 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

          I think Tits or Gtfo is the greatest thing I have ever posted. So much fallout, drama and views from that little post, lol. Naw, this site is pretty damn good. I need to find a way to write a bit less per article so I can spread my writing out throughout the week instead of doing one massive review or column. I’m still figuring this shit out.

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 9, 2011 at 10:24 am

            It’s a more well rounded site and I thought I would miss the chatbox, but this is even better.

            • June 9, 2011 at 11:09 am

              I still don’t understand why the chatbox code wont work on this WordPress when I am positive I have seen people with chatboxes on their WordPress sites. Maybe its because they brought the domains? I dont know, but I am pleased with comments considering that I never got so many on a consistent basis unless there was some drama going on.

              • Mr.Redlight
                June 9, 2011 at 4:52 pm

                lol the first tits or get the fuck out post was epic. That split all the original writers and readers into two groups that was pretty awesome.

                • June 9, 2011 at 4:57 pm

                  Fuck yea, lol. You and Capt Smooth proved to be the most loyal guys around when everyone jumped ship to XWRB and now they don’t even exist anymore, lol.

  4. June 8, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I really do think Undertaker needed to be Foley’s opponent at King of the Ring and I’ll tell you why. Foley mentioned in his book that Undertaker’s foot was broken. I think Foley decided to do his “fall from the cell to the table” spot only because he felt he and the Undertaker were gonna stink up the joint.

    The day before the match, Foley and the Undertaker had this conversation:

    Taker: “Jack (short for Cactus Jack), why are you so intent on killing yourself up there?”
    Foley: “Because I’m afraid this match is going to stink. You can’t walk, and let’s face it, I don’t have any heat. We’ve got a heck of a legacy to live up to, and I don’t want this match to ruin it. If we can start it out hot enough, we can make people think we had a hell of a match even if we didn’t.”

    Foley also wrote that after he found out he’d be facing Undertaker in the cell, he thought to himself, “I’m screwed. I suck inside a cage. Undertaker has a broken foot.”

    Foley doesn’t directly write it but he seems to hint that he wouldn’t have done the dangerous spots in the match if Stone Cold was his opponent. Actually it was only supposed to be one dangerous spot. I read that Foley really was planned to be chokeslammed through the top of the cell (many people claim that the top of the cell wasn’t supposed to break at all but both Terry Funk and Vince Russo have disputed that claim) but the cell was supposed to break slowly so Foley could slide down to the floor of the ring. Instead the cell broke immediately and Foley fell like a brick onto the ring. Foley later called it the worst and best chokeslam he ever took. The worst because one of his feet never left the ground but the best because if he took it correctly, he might have died.

    • June 9, 2011 at 9:52 am

      I never knew about Taker’s broken foot. That adds another level of badassness to the match. There is no way that I could limb a fence, let alone a Hell In A Cell with a broken foot. So Taker risked further injury and Foley risked his life. Makes me have a new appreciation for that match.

      • Mr.Redlight
        June 11, 2011 at 3:26 am

        you have read foleys first book? Its actually better than jerichos which is a lot to say lol

        • Mr.Redlight
          June 11, 2011 at 3:27 am

          meant havent i drinkin dextrolean right im gone

        • June 11, 2011 at 1:29 pm

          I have a few wrestling books just sitting here collecting dust. Ive only read the Bret Hart book. I got DX, Y2J, Edge and HBK books I havent even opened yet. One day…..

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 11, 2011 at 1:34 pm

            I bought a coworker of mine the WWE cookbook for her birthday several years ago. She loves it and brings in recipes to our potlucks all the time.

            • Mr.Redlight
              June 12, 2011 at 12:22 am

              ha good investment man

  5. June 8, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    I like your comments J. I would like to comment on some of your comments:

    – When I said I wish I could have seen HBK in his prime, part of what I wanted to see was all of his segments and promo work not just DVD matches. To really understand the importance of a WWE Superstar, you need to watch his career as it happens. DVDs for guys like Stone Cold and The Rock don’t do their careers justice. I have both DVDs and it is mostly just matches. The Rock’s DVD does have a dozen of his promos which is nice but most of them are his “face” promos and completely ignores what he accomplished as a heel. Stone Cold’s DVD is mostly just matches and doesn’t have many of his promos at all. I have always felt that The Rock and Stone Cold’s promos are what made them legendary. If you just watch their matches, you are missing a lot of what those two meant to the WWE.

    – Did you really ask if HBK would have moonsaulted off of the cell and onto Mick Foley?! I don’t think HBK is THAT crazy….then again maybe he is. HBK liked to try to out-perform his opponent. If he tried to one-up Mankind’s bump by moonsaulting off the cell, he might have killed himself. Oh my God…now that I think of it, I think he would have actually done it…..part of me is happy HBK didn’t get the chance to kill himself but another part of me would have liked to see him try because that would have been the greatest “Holy Shit” moment ever.

    Maybe I’m biased, but I think this column turned out really good. We need to do this again.

    • June 9, 2011 at 10:21 am

      Shawn was a heat magnet. When he was a face you wanted to cheer him. He was built as the underdog that overcame all the odds and not only did he face the biggest baddest heels at the time, he beat them all in convincing fashion. As a heel, there has never been a heel as disrespectful as HBK. He just didn’t give a fuck about anyone or anything. He would do whatever the hell he wanted to do and there was not a damn thing anyone can do about it. I really do believe that HBK was his heel persona in real life and he used intimidation on Vince McMahon in order to get his way.

      In his Hell In A Cell match against Taker, Shawn when through the announce table. It wasn’t exactly from the top but it was still high enough to be considered a holy shit moment. If he would have seen Foley’s fall from the top there is no doubt in my mind that Shawn would have tried to top that. He was all about the high risks so i can truly see him doing a moonsault from the top and since he was such a perfectionist he would have hit it perfectly too. If he never retired he might have just killed himself during a match. He was in the first televised Ladder match, first Hell In A Cell, first Elimination Chamber, Shawn was all about pushing the envelope and breaking new ground. I wonder what other firsts we would have seen if he stayed in WWF during the height of the Attitude Era.

      And I don’t think its bias, this turned out really damn good. 🙂

  6. Ana_ZackPack
    June 9, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Wow, I like the new comment box. Anyways, nice article as always, since it was a bunch of what ifs about some of my favorite personalities.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 9, 2011 at 10:25 am

      Yeah, it is nice.

    • June 9, 2011 at 10:26 am

      I thought it was only me that saw the new commentbox. Its kinda weird because its saying my old comments and I have to keep clearing it out before I leave a new one. I’m going to see if I could tweak it a bit, but it does look kinda cool. Out of all the guys mentioned who would you say is your all-time favorite?

      • June 9, 2011 at 10:53 am

        I think you can tweak it because TJR has a slightly different comment format and he also had a wordpress site.

        • June 9, 2011 at 11:12 am

          Im trying to figure out how to get everything in chronological order because sometimes these out of order comments can get quite confusing, lol.

  7. Capt. Smooth
    June 9, 2011 at 10:46 am

    What guys mentioned and where?

    • June 9, 2011 at 10:50 am

      I think he is referring to Ana_ZackPa saying, “nice article as always, since it was a bunch of what ifs about some of my favorite personalities.”

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 9, 2011 at 10:58 am

        oh

        • June 9, 2011 at 11:09 am

          This part focused on Mick Foley a lot. He’s my #2 favorite superstar of all-time and SPOILER ALERT, I plan to do at least one more “What If” question related to Mick Foley. And there is a certain superstar who dances and sings when he’s not beating up hypocrites and troglodytes who will also make an appearance or two in this series soon.

          • June 9, 2011 at 11:15 am

            Do we have to cue the binary code? I have to get insurance if the walls are about to be broken down.

        • June 9, 2011 at 11:14 am

          I was asking Ana who here most favorite wrestler out of the ones mentioned in the article were. Now I’m asking you, so who is your fav, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock, Undertaker or Mankind?

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 9, 2011 at 11:21 am

            I can’t really say. I have different ones who I feel have done different things for the business. Hogan and TaKer for the atmosphere. Flair and HBK for the overall performance. Eddie and Steamboat for being guys you just wanted to cheer for. Austin and Rock for the attitude. Macho for the look. Foley for the toughnes. Cena for being one of wrestling’s greatest ambassadors.

            • June 9, 2011 at 11:34 am

              Good list, but one of those guys just doesn’t belong. Can you guess who?

              • Capt. Smooth
                June 9, 2011 at 11:38 am

                No, because they all have done things in the ring and/or out of the ring that have improved wrestling’s reputation.

                • June 9, 2011 at 4:58 pm

                  John Cena was the one that didnt belong, lol. Im just being a hater. My bad.

  8. June 9, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I’m glad how well this series is turning out. However, I’m worried because I felt I already presented the best ones. I still got several “What If” questions left but I’m afraid only a few of them have the potential to make you really think. We’ll see. When I first started this, I thought I could do it all in one article. Then I realized I needed it to be two parts and then I realized three parts. Now I am expecting to write a fourth part for sure and quite possibly a fifth part too.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 9, 2011 at 11:16 am

      One I would be interested in is what would have happened to Nick Dinsmore if he had gotten a serious gimmick?

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 9, 2011 at 11:27 am

        Another would be if The Boogeyman gimmick where passed down like a mantle. It could be won, lost, stolen, bet, etc. Imagine if Bourne got it and became corrupted by its power? If a woman got it?

        One more is if the “under the ring world” that Hornswoggle lives in and DX went down to for a trial where used in “falls count anywhere” matches. Lets say a heel lost a title during a match in that “land”. Would the heel try to argue that the area doesn’t count.

        As you can tell, I need some mental help.

        • June 9, 2011 at 11:41 am

          Better yet, would the Boogeyman still be around if he didn’t incorporated worms into his routine. I’m sure he would have never been a top guy since I cant see him ever putting worms in Orton or Cena’s mouth.

          About Hornyland under the ring, What If the Bella Twins serviced all those midgets? After all thats where the “Twin Magic” takes place.

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

            Where Kharma got preggers?

      • June 9, 2011 at 11:33 am

        I would have to let Jcity handle that. Nick Dinsmore is Eugene right? I stopped watching WWE from 2002 to 2007 so there is a rather large group of superstars that came and went during my absence. Eugene was one of them (why we are on the subject, don’t ask me about Katie Vick, Bobby Lashley, Brock Lesnar, Stacy Keibler, Zack Gowen, and Tomko).

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 9, 2011 at 11:36 am

          Eugene was Dinsore, yes.

          • June 9, 2011 at 11:47 am

            I take that back…I have seen Eugene once that was not on youtube or on one of my many WWE Dvds. I forgot that Eugene jobbed to the Calgary Kid (aka The Miz) on RAW. That was my favorite match in WWE history (cue Stone Cold saying, “Who? Out of all the matches in the history of this business, that was your favorite? Any other famous matches I should know about?” Tough Enough reference).

        • June 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

          Brock Lesner would make for a good What If. I remember Zack Gowen. He was quite the interesting character doing one legged moonsaults and all.

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 9, 2011 at 11:45 am

            One-legged moonsaults were awesome!

          • June 9, 2011 at 11:50 am

            maybe I should do a What If about the fact that Triple H was basically Plan C for Undertaker’s Wrestlemania opponent. The rumors are that VKM went after Lesner and then went after Sting and went O-for-two. By the way, Undertaker’s next WM opponent is already rumored.

      • June 9, 2011 at 11:37 am

        Eugene the retard? I think he would have been boo’d out of the building for stealing everyone else’s finishers. People thought he was funny being a retard and all so they gave him a pass. I will say this though, I have seen him as a serious wrestler in Ring Of Honor, hair cut and all and he is a pretty good wrestler. To bad he had a shitty gimmick, even though it was fun.

        Santino is the new Eugene!!!!!!

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 9, 2011 at 11:40 am

          I remember being at a Louisville Kroger and him walking up to me and asking me if my name was Andy. He also new a former coworker of mine while in school as well as The Bashams. She said they were a little click.

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 9, 2011 at 11:41 am

            Also, Santino is more over than Eugene ever was.

          • June 11, 2011 at 1:30 pm

            That stabled would have sucked in the WWE, lol.

            • Capt. Smooth
              June 11, 2011 at 1:36 pm

              J.O.B. Squad 2.0!

    • June 9, 2011 at 11:17 am

      I have enjoyed these and I would have liked this one even if I wasn’t on it.

  9. June 9, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Capt. Smooth :

    Now, Backdoor to Kaitland I may have to see.

    Well played.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 9, 2011 at 11:35 am

      *bows*

  10. Max
    June 9, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    This was a great read. You guys make a good team and I would not mind if you team up some more in the future.

  11. June 9, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Maybe we should go for the Tag Team titles and melt them down to rings and chains and demand the old belts back, lol.

  12. June 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    I got my Money in the Bank ticket today so I will officially be attending the July WWE PPV.

    I’ll definitely be writing a review for the PPV so that should be an interesting article for this site.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 9, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      We want a sign!

      • June 9, 2011 at 9:50 pm

        hmmm…I’ll have to think about it. If I do make a sign, it will read “THE INFAMOUS JCITY”. Maybe I can hold the sign and get someone to take a picture with the MitB stage in the background.

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 10, 2011 at 6:23 am

          Add “fears Capt. Smooth”. 🙂

        • June 10, 2011 at 5:03 pm

          Maybe the sigh can say THE INFAMOUS JCITY or THE INFAMOUS CREW then it should say GOOGLE US or something to that effect another sign can say I WRITE “WHAT IF” IM AWESOME or something, lol.

          • Capt. Smooth
            June 10, 2011 at 5:06 pm

            This site is pulling an Otunga! Remember his NXT promo? “Google me!”.

            • June 10, 2011 at 5:11 pm

              Ha, its the only way people will now its a website because if it says .com it will get confiscated. Even if it gains just one fan it will be awesome. A fan a day should be the new slogan.

              • Capt. Smooth
                June 10, 2011 at 5:13 pm

                I still like my old standby sign. “Ressling Phanz Kan’t Spelle.”.

    • June 10, 2011 at 4:31 pm

      Thats awesome. Doing a review on a Live experience is fun. Thats how I kicked off my online writing. Maybe one day I’ll repost it and add the pics I never added the first time around.

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 10, 2011 at 4:34 pm

        Kewl!!!

        • June 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm

          Talking about posts and repost, now that I have the Rajah email I will be submitting stuff to them on a regular basis. Hopefully something makes the cut. If not then………

  13. June 9, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    John Cena was the one that didnt belong, lol. Im just being a hater. My bad.

    Damn…I would have guessed HBK…what has he ever done that was so great?

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 9, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      true…lol

      • June 10, 2011 at 4:32 pm

        HBK did more that John Cena ever did during his run with Sensational Sherry, lol.

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 10, 2011 at 4:35 pm

          Not really.

          • June 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm

            Yes really. Maybe you are too young to remember those times, lol.

            • Capt. Smooth
              June 10, 2011 at 4:56 pm

              I’m older than you. I do remember and that HBK/Sherri run was great, but it doesn’t surpass the entire career of Cena.

              • June 10, 2011 at 4:59 pm

                Ok, maybe not his entire career, but if you stack them up side by side Shawn Michaels will ALWAYS be greater that John Cena.

                • Capt. Smooth
                  June 10, 2011 at 5:05 pm

                  VERY few people would match HBK’s career. Inside the ring, there is no way Cena could match him, but outside the ring may be a different story and notice that this was the initial reason I put Cena in the group.

  14. Capt. Smooth
    June 9, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    Fuck yea, lol. You and Capt Smooth proved to be the most loyal guys around when everyone jumped ship to XWRB and now they don’t even exist anymore, lol.

    Vengeance is sweet!

  15. Capt. Smooth
    June 9, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    John Cena was the one that didnt belong, lol. Im just being a hater. My bad.

    Join the Capt. Smooth Kiss My Ass Club. LOL!

  16. June 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Capt. Smooth :

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    John Cena was the one that didnt belong, lol. Im just being a hater. My bad.

    Join the Capt. Smooth Kiss My Ass Club. LOL!

    EATADICK.CUM

    WHAT?!?!

    LMFAO

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 10, 2011 at 4:36 pm

      I wonder how you knew about that site…

  17. June 10, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    NODQ linked to it when exposing Luke from Tough Enough’s gay porn past [||]PAUSE

  18. June 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    By the way I will be posting a review either later tonight or tomorrow morning so yes more content from me this week 🙂

  19. June 10, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Capt. Smooth :

    VERY few people would match HBK’s career. Inside the ring, there is no way Cena could match him, but outside the ring may be a different story and notice that this was the initial reason I put Cena in the group.

    Yes, you are right. Cena is a good man at heart. I even wrote a positive column about him. For the record, I dont hate Cena, but the legends from the past are greater than the legends being made now. I know thats not entirely his fault though.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 10, 2011 at 5:11 pm

      I don’t know if anybody going forward will be allowed to equal what has happened in the past. Part of it is the fanbase. We’ll just have to see in 20 years when the kids of today are able to look back at their heroes from the past.

      • June 10, 2011 at 5:16 pm

        I think Randy Orton has the best chance to be a legend in the same breath as Triple H and Undertaker, Cena not so much. Hes this generations Hulk Hogan, but he will never be as big as Hulk Hogan.

      • June 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm

        20 years from now, we will be booing Dominik Mysterio and we will be yelling at Triple H for inducting Hornswoggle into the Hall of Fame before Lucky Cannon. And we’ll be predicting that John Cena is the mystery RAW GM.

        • June 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm

          Lmao, the sad thing is that I can actually picture that as the future. I hope not, lol. That would suck so bad.

  20. Capt. Smooth
    June 10, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Both of them will. It’s just so much harder today. Also, remember a couple weeks ago when we were talking about “purple ones and black ones”. I came across a purple one and it didn’t taste like grape. 😦

    • June 10, 2011 at 5:23 pm

      You mean purple and pink ones, lmmfao. I don’t think I have ever seen a black one in real life or the Internet. Ha, I’m just glad to know that THE INFAMOUS CREW is out slaying some punani pie.

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 10, 2011 at 5:24 pm

        I’ve seen black ones. We’re talking about berries, right?

  21. June 10, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    Ha, its the only way people will now its a website because if it says .com it will get confiscated. Even if it gains just one fan it will be awesome. A fan a day should be the new slogan.

    Yeah….I don’t want it to get confiscated.

    As we get closer to that MitB PPV, a lot of my stuff will be related to that PPV. I want to bring back “How I would Book it” for a MitB preview article in which I plan on revealing what reactions each match/superstar will get from the Chi-Town crowd. I’m also planning to write an epic article about the history of Chicago hating John Cena.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 10, 2011 at 5:34 pm

      Interesting

      • June 10, 2011 at 5:39 pm

        The Cena one will blow you away. You’d be shocked to see how much hate Cena gets from Chicago. It’s more than just Wrestlemania 22.

        • Mr.Redlight
          June 10, 2011 at 5:55 pm

          Capt. Smooth :Both of them will. It’s just so much harder today. Also, remember a couple weeks ago when we were talking about “purple ones and black ones”. I came across a purple one and it didn’t taste like grape.

          i would be fuckin scared if it was black.

        • June 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm

          Cena is good for ratings. This site really kicked off after the John Cena columns. Then TKO’s “We See You” diss really got shit popping. He should diss Cena some more or other less than fortunate Superstar. Maybe even using their own themes against them. Shit, I should record some shit haha.

          • Mr.Redlight
            June 11, 2011 at 3:29 am

            honestly i thought it was going to be wack with shitty sound quality. It was really good sound and surprisingly good lyrics. I know it was a joke thing but i was like this is good

            • June 11, 2011 at 1:32 pm

              Lol. I wonder if Cena has heard it yet? It would be funny if he disses back and then its on.

              • Capt. Smooth
                June 11, 2011 at 1:37 pm

                Knowing his attitude, he’d probably crack up.

                • Mr.Redlight
                  June 12, 2011 at 12:23 am

                  you know its funny i respect the man incredibly but damn i hate his character lol

  22. June 10, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    Maybe the sigh can say THE INFAMOUS JCITY or THE INFAMOUS CREW then it should say GOOGLE US or something to that effect another sign can say I WRITE “WHAT IF” IM AWESOME or something, lol.

    It would have to be “THE INFAMOUS CREW” then. Google “THE INFAMOUS JCITY” and there are no links for this site but “THE INFAMOUS CREW” has your site as the third link.

  23. June 10, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    Thats awesome. Doing a review on a Live experience is fun. Thats how I kicked off my online writing. Maybe one day I’ll repost it and add the pics I never added the first time around.

    This site could use some PPV reviews. I always like reading those reviews that reveal what the fans at home didn’t see.

  24. June 10, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I think I reviewed every single WWE and TNA PPV review from September to January. I had quit the IWC in February I think. I was in the middle of the Elimination Chamber Review and saif fuck it. I still have that review. I should finish it and post it for the hell of it. I also have half a Wrestlemania 27 review and an Edge tribute post.

    But yea, I might start reviewing TNA again. There reviews were less commentated on but highly viewed since nobody really gives Impact Wrestling the acknowledgement they deserve. Plus that was my most vulgar review style. Worse than RAW ever was, lol. I also reviewed Smackdown in traditional review form AND random thoughts…..might bring something back soon. I just dont know what, lol.

  25. Capt. Smooth
    June 10, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    J, I’ve been on furlough yesterday and today. We got an e-mail at work today saying that if enough people don’t reduce their hours(and not enough people are doing it), the company will go to “plan B”. They say they don’t know what “plan b” is yet, but I’m sure they do know. “Plan b” will go into effect on July 1st so that could be the last time I come on here. Who knows?

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 11, 2011 at 7:19 am

      J, one more thing. If I do have to leave, I demand “Smooth Operator’ by Sade in my tribute column. 🙂

    • June 11, 2011 at 1:33 pm

      If you cut hours would you be safe?

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm

        It’s all up in the air right now. I don’t know. My mother works in the same building that I do, so it could hit her as well. It’s all politics.

  26. June 10, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    THE INFAMOUS JCITY™ :
    Lmao, the sad thing is that I can actually picture that as the future. I hope not, lol. That would suck so bad.

    Lol…maybe I should write about what an episode of RAW will look like in ten years. A RAW review for Monday June 14, 2021! I’ll write it up this weekend and maybe I’ll send it to you if it looks interesting.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 11, 2011 at 7:13 am

      Do it!

      • June 11, 2011 at 12:12 pm

        haha….I actually did write something up. Should I send it to Jcity?

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm

          Yes!

          • June 11, 2011 at 1:34 pm

            Lol, that might be interesting.

          • June 11, 2011 at 5:43 pm

            lol….I sent it to him….let’s see what happens. If he doesn’t like it, I’ll post it on my site so you can read it.

  27. June 10, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Wow..100+ comments for this article…how did that happen? The funny thing is that 75% of the comments are unrelated to the actual article…lol.

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 11, 2011 at 7:14 am

      That’s what I do.

      • June 11, 2011 at 1:35 pm

        Only other 100+ comment column was my Rejected TJR John Cena post 🙂

        • Capt. Smooth
          June 11, 2011 at 1:40 pm

          E-drinks all around! Who has got a bottle opener?

  28. Mr.Redlight
    June 11, 2011 at 3:31 am

    whats great about writing for j is that he will always make you look like a million bucks lol. I was surprised as hell when i sent my columns in they came out look amazing lol. Not dissin you at all but city really takes pride in his work. Also im fucking gone right now but i would like to add i think this is the first time in this sites history that there has been this many comments on a post without it being a flame war and just good conversation lol

    • Capt. Smooth
      June 11, 2011 at 7:15 am

      *cue the epic music playing*

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 11, 2011 at 7:17 am

        Also, you are so right about J making people look good. If the writing doesn’t work out for J, he’d make one hell of an editor.

        • June 11, 2011 at 9:38 am

          His article logos are so sick. Every time I think I saw his best work, he tops himself like the logo for this article. Using the WWE logo as the “W” in “What”? Awesome!

          • June 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm

            I was going to post it in plain text and the WWE logo idea came to me at the very last minute. I thought it was kinda cool 🙂

    • June 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm

      I try :)… I don’t think there has ever been a flame war in here yet, lol. Haters didn’t follow me over I guess 😦

      • Capt. Smooth
        June 11, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        Maybe I am a hater and noticed Smooth had lost his job and am just now posting as him?

  29. June 11, 2011 at 6:57 pm
    • Capt. Smooth
      June 11, 2011 at 6:59 pm

      Headline: The Gay Pride Parade hits Wrestlemania.

      • Mr.Redlight
        June 12, 2011 at 12:24 am

        welcome to an acid trip lol!!!!

        • June 12, 2011 at 9:54 am

          Warning….if you see this man, report the police. He is a juvenile sex offender.

          • June 12, 2011 at 9:58 am

            uhhh…wait….that’s not right term for him….this man is a um…..Do you ever watch that show about men who go on chat rooms looking for kids? Yeah he’s kinda like that only that instead of going on chat rooms, he shows up at WWE events wearing a mask.

            • Capt. Smooth
              June 12, 2011 at 10:10 am

              It’s Boink The Clown.

  30. Shane
    June 12, 2011 at 11:29 am

    No disrespect to JCITY but these articles were better off without your input, you need stand alone columns by other writers. Part 1 and 2 were really great reads but I felt this was less in depth and not as entertaining.

    Stick to your own stuff which for the most part is rather entertaining, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

    • June 12, 2011 at 8:38 pm

      If you felt that this was less in-depth, I’ll take the blame for that. This “What If” series won’t last forever….I can tell you that right now. I got enough decent “What Ifs” left to do one or maybe two more parts. The “What Ifs” I have left are not as interesting as my older “What Ifs” and therefore WILL be less in depth. Could I write Part 4 and 5 (if I do write it) on my own? Of course I can. But I don’t feel they will be as good as the first two so I am asking for JCITY’s help.

      I personally think JCITY’s input made this article better. If you feel otherwise, I have the “Part 3” solo version on my site so just click my name if you would rather read the stand only version of this column.

      By the way, thanks for reading, thanks for your feedback, and I hope you continue to enjoy the future parts of this series.

    • June 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm

      I think this turned out pretty damn good. Its not like I interjected myself in someones work just for the hell of it. Since I started with the sites I have never took over anyones work unless we planned on teaming up before hand. Try reading the plain text without my input, then read it with my words. Its pretty in depth when added together isn’t it? I never add stuff to take away from others. I could if I wanted to though, its my site, but my ego isn’t THAT huge. Then again, I dont feel like this is a real complaint and you’re just trying to bust my balls, lol.

      • Shane
        June 14, 2011 at 9:51 am

        Not trying to bust your balls, mate. Like I said for the most part I find your stuff entertaining.

        Part 1 and 2 were amazing reads, I just wanted more of Tony’s writing on this topic because that’s what the other two were and they were perfect. It’s just my opinion though, and I know this is your site and you can do what you want – was just offering some feedback from someone that enjoys the writing and is constructive not someone saying “fuk dis suks!!!!”

        Keeping writing, Tony. I’m enjoying reading.

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